Here are 23 quotes showing calvinism does teach C-god invents all evil with his own imagination from before foundation of the world making God the Source, Designer and Determinier of all evil , then irresistibly determines and infuses this evil into helpless creatures but it is funny how John Calvinists love to quote from the Council of Orange when it actually condemns them as Heretics while it affirms Armin ianism as 100% biblical.
“We not only DO NOT believe that any are FOREORDAINED TO EVIL BY THE POWER OF GOD, but even state with utter abhorrence that if there are those who want to believe so EVIL A THING, they are ANATHEMA.”
- Second Council of Orange 2nd paragraph of the conclusion section.–529 A.D. Calvinsts always quote selectively from cannons of Orange and avoid that conclusion section , So Here are several QUOTES from Calvinsts that Orange would clearly condemn as Heresy, possibly the clearest Heresy in the History of the Church , No Mormon or Jehovah’s witness could hold a candle to these quotes.
1). On the fall of Adam: “HE SINNED BECAUSE GOD SO ORDAINED, because the Lord saw good.” (Calvin’s Inst., book 3, chapter 24, section 8.)
2). “Thieves, murderers, and other malefactors are God’s instruments, which he uses to execute WHAT HE HATH DECREED IN HIMSELF.”-John Calvin institutes, b. 1, c. 17, s. 5.)
3). “God not only foresaw the fall of the first man, and in him the ruin of his posterity; BUT ALSO AT HIS OWN PLEASURE ARRANGED IT”. [Calvin, Institutes 3:23 :7]
4). Another prophet also exclaims, “Our God is in the heavens: he has done whatsoever he has pleased,” (Ps. 115:3). I have already shown clearly enough that GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF ALL THOSE THINGS which, according to these objectors, happen only by his inactive permission. He testifies that he CREATES light and darkness, forms good and EVIL (Is. 45:7); THAT NO EVIL HAPPENS WHICH HE HAS NOT DONE (Amos 3:6). Let them tell me whether God exercises his Judgments willingly or unwillingly. – John Calvin , Institutes Book 1 Chapter 18, paragraph 13
((( God does not author/create sin as calvin claims above , God only reacts to freely chosen evil you could have refrained from by accepting God’s grace and so God creates calamity/ judgment, God doesn’t create sin/evil but only good 1John 1:5, 1John 2:16 , 1 Tim 4:4, Jer 32:35 , Isa 30:1, pslm 34:8, Man freely creates his own evil and rejects God grace to do good, Calvin was wrong again. ))
*Isa 30:1 “Woe to the rebellious children,” declares the LORD, “Who execute a plan, but not Mine, And make an alliance, but not of My Spirit, In order to add sin to sin; ( Murder, rape , false doctrine, blasphemy etc are not the Plan of God, he does not invent it nor determine it , human freewill plus depravity is sufficient to create sin.) 1 Tim 4:4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; Habakuk 1:13 Your eyes are too pure to approve evil, And You can not look on wickedness with favor.
Why do You look with favor On those who deal treacherously? Why are You silent when the wicked swallow up Those more righteous than they?
Hose 8:4 They have set up kings, but not by Me; They have appointed princes, but I did not know it. With their silver and gold they have made idols for themselves, That they might be cut off.
2 Cor 5:21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.
Jer 32:35 “They built the high places of Baal that are in the valley of Ben-hinnom to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I had not commanded them nor had it entered My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
1 john 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.
3:5 The LORD is righteous within her; He will do no injustice. Every morning He brings His justice to light; He does not fail. But the unjust knows no shame. *
Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good; How blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him!
- Job 1:22 Through all this Job did not sin nor did he blame God. *
(((( But Calvin said “I have already shown clearly enough that GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF ALL THOSE THINGS which, according to these objectors, happen only by his inactive permission. He testifies that he CREATES light and darkness, forms good and EVIL (Is. 45:7); THAT NO EVIL HAPPENS WHICH HE HAS NOT DONE (Amos 3:6). Let them tell me whether God exercises his Judgments willingly or unwillingly. – John Calvin , Institutes Book 1 Chapter 18, paragraph 13 JDM >
Calvin blames God for pre-determining everything , including sin and damnation. the bible knows nothing of this clay robot world or puppet show.
Ecclesiastes 7:29 “Behold, I have found only this, that God made men upright, but they have sought out many devices.” *
((( If Calvinism were true God made man upright for a short pereiod then irresistibly determined Adam to fall for his own pleasure as Calvin said, and if men seek out many devices it is because C-God irresstibly determined them to seek out many devices , namely devices and sins C-God invented himself. ))
Psalm 145:9 The Lord is good to all;he has compassion on all he has made.
- (( But if Calvinism were true some would be born Pre-hated, Pre-damned. No -Hopers , unsaveable because they are “Un-elected to Hell” , the Un-predetined to Hell with no hope of any other destiny other than Hell ,to the unelect C-God is pure hate, and not love at all in any shape or form , even so called “common grace” rain , food etc. is just fattening people up for the slaughter.)) really unconditional damnation slaughter )) Psalm 5:4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; No evil dwells with You.
But Calvin said *“God not only foresaw the fall of the first man, and in him the ruin of his posterity; but also at His own pleasure arranged it.” [Calvin, Institutes 3:23:7] In Calvinism God invents all wickedness from before the foundation of the world with his own imagination then irresistibly infuses all this wickedness into man to make sure the sin gets done because mans freewill plus depravity is not enough to make sure the sin gets done ,
C-God needs to invent the sin then irresistibly determine the sin to make sure the sin gets done. (Calvinists don’t really believe in depravity only arminians do, unless you are talking about a totally depraved God who would be the only depraved being in the universe , then calvinists do believe in depravity in that sense alone a totally depraved “god”. ) Proverbs 15:9 The way of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD, But He loves one who pursues righteousness.
- But in Calvinism C-God Invents all Abominations with his own imagination from before the foundation of the world then infuses this into helpless creatures to make sure his abominations get done , since human freewill plus depravity is not sufficient to get the sins done in Calvinism only in arminianism is human depravity and freewill sufficient to get the abominations done. in Calvinism wickedness is not an abomination but he came up with it himself then pre-programmed it for his own good pleasure.
Unless you are born Pre-hated and Pre-damned of course and C-God arranged your fall like Adams for his own good pleasure, then C-God is not Righteous or Kind but only pure hate, the purest hate anyone could possibly know. , ; ) Matthew 6:13 And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
(((((” BUT in Calvinism it would read “lead us not into the temptation you irresistibly decreed for us to be tempted by and deliver us also from the evil you invented and irresistibly decreed for us to do .” Ok More quotes from Calvinsts
5). The will of God is the chief and principal CAUSE OF ALL THINGS.”Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God –John Calvin (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, p.177,)
6). “nothing is more absurd than to think anything at all is done but by the ordination of God.” (Calvin’s Institutes, book 1., chap. 16, sect. 3.)
7). “As all contingencies whatsoever depend on it [providence], therefore, neither thefts nor adulteries, nor murders, are perpetrated WITHOUT AN INTERPOSITION OF THE DIVINE WILL … we rush on, not thinking of what he wishes, but so inflamed by our own passionate lust, that, with destined purpose, we strive against him. And in this way, WHILE ACTING WICKEDLY , WE SERVE HIS RIGHTEOUS ORDINATION”. [Calvin, Institutes, 1:17 :5]
8). “The sum of the whole is this – since the will of God is said to be the cause of all things, all the counsels and actions of men must be held to be governed by his providence; so that he not only exerts his power in the elect, who are guided by the Holy Spirit, but also FORCES THE REPROBATE TO DO HIM SERVICE.” [Calvin, Institutes, 1:18 :2]
((But I thought our John Calvinist friends told us C-God doesn’t FORCE sinners to sin when he irresistibly determins our every sin ? Looks like Calvin could think more clearly than modern Cal-minian “Calvinsts” friends ;))) 9). “The uniform witness of Scripture is that THE EVILS OF THIS LIFE COME FROM GOD”. (John Frame “No other God, P & R Publishing 2001) pg. 140).
10). “…[I]t is important to see that GOD DOES IN FACT BRING ABOUT THE SINFUL BEHAVIOR OF HUMAN BEINGS, whatever problems that may create in our understanding” –John frame “No other God P & R Publishing – 2001 ,pg. 68).
11). “GOD THOUGH RESPONSIBLE, is not to blame for bringing about AN EVIL ACT ON THE PART OF A HUMAN BEING …” Paul helm “Eternal God pg. 164).
12). “How foolish and frail is the support of divine justice afforded by the suggestion that evils come to be, not by His will but by His permission. . . .IT IS A QUITE FRIVOLOUS REFUGE TO SAY THAT GOD INDIRECTLY PERMITS THEM , WHEN SCRIPTURE SHOWS HIM NOT ONLY WILLING, BUT THE AUTHOR OF THEM . . . It is quite clear from the evidence of Scripture that GOD WORKS IN THE HEARTS OF MEN TO INCLINE THEIR WILLS JUST AS HE WILL, WHETHER TO GOOD …. OR EVIL “. (John Calvin, Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God , trans. J. K. S. Reid (Louisville:WJK, 1961), pg. 176-7
(( But I thought our Calvinst friends told us Calvi-God only PERMITS us to sin ? looks like they don’t understand what exhaustive determinism entails , but Calvin clearly did. ))
13). “..That a person does what GOD ORDAINS FOR HIM TO DO EVEN IF IT INVOLVES EVIL.”—-Piper, John. Spectacular Sins: And Their Global Purpose in the Glory of Christ (Wheaton: Crossway, 2008), pg. 24
14). “So when I say that EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS –INCLUDING EVIL — IS ORDAINED BY an infinitely holy and all-wise GOD TO MAKE THE GLORY OF CHRIST SHINE MORE BRIGHTLY , I mean that, one way or the other, God sees to it that all things serve to glorify his Son.”—Piper, John. Spectacular Sins: And Their Global Purpose in the Glory of Christ (Wheaton: Crossway, 2008),pg. 44
15). “…GOD WILLS THAT WHAT HE HATES COMES TO PASS” ”–John piper –July 1, 1998 Sermon entitled “ Is God less glorious because he ordained that evil be”
16). “God controls everything that is and everything that happens. THERE IS NOT ONE THING THAT HAPPENS THAT HE HAS NOT ACTIVELY DECREED – NOT EVEN A SINGLE THOUGHT IN THE MIND OF MAN. Since this is true, it follows that GOD HAS DECREED THE EXISTENCE OF EVIL , HE HAS NOT MERELY PERMITTED IT, AS IF ANYTHING CAN ORIGINATE AND HAPPEN APART FROM HIS WILL AND POWER . Since we have shown that NO CREATURE CAN MAKE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT DECISIONS , EVIL COULD NEVER HAVE STARTED WITHOUT GOD’S ACTIVE DECREE , AND IT CANNOT CONTINUE FOR ONE MOMENT LONGER APRT FROM GOD’S WILL. GOD DECREED EVIL ULTIMATELY FOR HIS OWN GLORY , although it is not necessary to know or to state this reason to defend Christianity from the problem evil.”—-Cheung, Vincent. “Problem of Evil,”
17). God wills all things that come to pass…GOD DESIRED FOR MAN TO FALL INTO SIN. I am not accusing God of sinning; I AM SUGGESTING THAT GOD CREATED SIN.”—R.C. Sproul Jr. > Almighty over all (baker book house 1999) pg. 54
18). FOREORDINATION MEANS God’s sovereign plan, whereby He decides all that is to happen in the entire universe. Nothing in this world happens by chance. God is in back of everything. HE DECIDES AND CAUSES ALL THINGS TO HAPPEN THAT DO HAPPEN . He is not sitting on the sidelines wondering and perhaps fearing what is going to happen next.
No, He has foreordained everything ‘after the counsel of his will’ (Eph. 1:11 ): the moving of a finger, the beating of a heart, the laughter of a girl, the mistake of a typist – EVEN SIN..lthough sin and unbelief are contrary to what God commands…GOD HAS INCLUDED THEM IN HIS SOVEREIGN DECREE. (ORDAINED THEM , CAUSED THEM THEM TO CERTAINLY COME TO PASS). – Palmer, Edwin. H. The Five Points of Calvinism, Pg. 24-25 19). God by his providence permitted some of the angels willfully and IRRECOVERABLY , TO FALL INTO SIN AND DAMNATION…ORDERING THAT , AND ALL THEIR SINS, TO HIS GLORY —-Shedd, W.G.T. Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, PG. 32-33
20). I wish very frankly and pointedly to assert that IF A MAN GETS DRUNK AND SHOOTS HIS FAMILY , IT WAS THE WILL OF GOD THAT HE SHOULD DO IT” He goes on to assert, “Let it be unequivocally said that this view CERTAINLY MAKES GOD THE CAUSE OF SIN. GOD IS THE SOLE ULTIMATE CAUSE OF EVERYTHING. THERE IS ABSOUTELY NOTHING INDEPENDENT OF HIM. He alone is the eternal being. He alone is omnipotent. He alone is sovereign.—-Clark, Gordan. Religion, Reason, and Revelation, (Philadelphia, PA: Presbyterian & Reformed), 1961, 221
21). Some people who do not wish to extend God’s power over evil things, and particularly over moral evils…THE BIBLE THEREFORE EXPLICITLY TEACHES THAT GOD CREATES SIN——Clark, Gordan. Predestination. (The Trinity Foundation), 1987. Pg. 18.
22). “PLAINLY IT WAS GOD’S WILL THAT SIN SHOULD ENTER THIS WORLD , OTHERWISE IT WOULD NOT HAVE ENTERED , FOR NOTHING HAPPENS EXCEPT WHAT GOD HAS ETERNALLY DECREED .Moreover, there was more than a simple permission, for God only permits things that fulfill his purpose.”—-Pink, A.W. The Sovereignty of God, 2009, Pg. 162
23). “I believe that every particle of dust that dances in the sunbeam does not move an atom more or less than God wishes — that every particle of spray that dashes against the steamboat has its orbit, as well as the sun in the heavens — that the chaff from the hand of the winnower is steered as the stars in their courses. The creeping of an aphid over the rosebud is as much FIXED as the march of the DEVASTATING PESTILENCE — the fall of sere leaves from a poplar is as fully ordained as the tumbling of an AVALANCHE. He that believes in a God must believe this truth.”- –Charles H. Spurgeon:–Sermon 3114 God’s providence – October 15th, 1908.
..and notice all these people are saying the same thing Calvin does above so the modern Cal-minians who think they are “calvinsts” cannot pull the “Hyper-calvinism” card its all just plain old John Calvin Calvinism so try again. 😉
And don’t let my post here upset you John Calvinsts, all pasts history is by definition the unalterable irresistible will of C-God in Calvinism, So once I hit the post button this post necessarily logically became the Irresistible will of God that it be posted ,
If you council Children who have been raped like the James white video above to take comfort that it was C-God’s will and and God led the hand of the rapist irresistibly so therefore the rape had purpose and meaning then take your own medicine and realize even if C-God’s Biblical/revealed will commanded me not to make this post .
C-God’s Secret will )which always gets done irresistibly it can’t fail to happen exactly as he scripted it ) his secret will turned around and irresistibly determined me to post this , in fact he wrote all of it with his own imagination from before the foundation of the world ,spelling errors included 😉 this is what Calvinist exhaustive determinism entails. Calvinism is not biblical it is simply man made pagan philosophy, besides for being absurd.